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NBA Game Matchup Report
Friday, 11/17/2017 at 08:05 pm CHARLOTTE (5-9) at  CHICAGO (3-10)
Results Offensive Statistics Defensive Statistics
Teams Line PF PA SU ATS O/U/P FG% FT% 3PT% FG% FT% 3PT%
713CHARLOTTE 198 104.9 106.9 5-9 5-8-1 7-7-0 45% 68.7% 35.8% 44% 82.4% 36%
714CHICAGO +6 94.8 104.2 3-10 6-5-2 5-8-0 41.4% 77.8% 33.7% 46.1% 79% 39.5%
Preview - CHICAGO vs CHARLOTTEGame Write Up
The Charlotte Hornets (5-8), 7-point favorites, travel to United Center to meet the Chicago Bulls (2-10). Both teams will will attempt to put an end to their five game losing streaks. The game's Over/Under (O/U) opened at 197.5 points and it will air...more
By BTB Staff | November 17, 2017, 7:32 am
Power Rating Line
The power rating system is based on recent game results. The section should be used to compare the relative strength of the two teams involved. A power line is calculated using both teams ratings and home field advantage. Where the power line differs significantly from the current line, the team with the edge is indicated.
Team Power Rating Estimate Edge
CHARLOTTE 94 -2
CHICAGO 89 4
Average power rating of opponents played: CHICAGO 96.4, CHARLOTTE 95.9
Team Trends and Angles
All team trends listed below apply to the current game.
CHARLOTTE Team Trends
Description Against the spread Over/Under Straight Up
Current Last 3 Since 1996 Current Last 3 Since 1996 Current Last 3 Since 1996
W-L W-L W-L O-U O-U O-U W-L W-L W-L
in all games 5-7 85-93 519-536 6-7 93-91 531-530 5-8 92-92 418-660
as a favorite 3-2 52-50 160-157 4-1 53-51 164-152 3-2 69-35 212-108
as a road favorite 0-1 16-17 37-36 1-0 20-14 40-32 0-1 19-15 43-31
as a road favorite of 6.5 to 12 points 0-0 3-2 6-3 0-0 2-3 4-5 0-0 4-1 7-2
in road games 1-5 40-49 262-266 3-4 51-42 268-266 1-6 34-59 150-390
in November games 1-4 16-17 92-87 4-2 21-15 91-90 1-5 19-17 72-112
in the first half of the season 5-7 36-39 184-192 6-7 41-37 189-192 5-8 41-37 145-240
on Friday nights 1-2 18-16 109-116 1-3 15-21 104-123 1-3 18-18 84-147
against Central division opponents 1-3 19-20 115-116 2-2 24-16 120-114 1-3 18-22 87-149
after failing to cover 3 of their last 4 against the spread 0-1 17-20 137-122 1-1 17-22 128-132 0-2 20-19 101-164
after failing to cover 4 or 5 of their last 6 against the spread 0-0 21-25 149-146 0-0 21-25 151-145 0-0 20-26 103-199
after having lost 4 or 5 of their last 6 games 0-1 19-24 220-210 1-0 18-27 209-224 0-1 19-26 160-282
after failing to cover 4 of their last 5 against the spread 0-0 11-12 73-59 0-0 9-14 65-69 0-0 9-14 49-88
after having lost 5 or 6 of their last 7 games 0-0 12-18 180-174 0-0 13-19 175-181 0-0 12-20 128-235
off a upset loss as a favorite 0-0 13-20 54-51 0-1 15-19 51-52 0-1 15-19 44-62
off an upset loss as a home favorite 0-0 7-12 40-38 0-0 8-11 33-42 0-0 8-11 30-48
off a home loss 1-0 13-18 130-129 1-0 17-15 139-121 1-0 14-18 88-177
after allowing 115 points or more 0-1 10-15 35-46 1-1 14-14 41-43 0-2 10-18 27-60
after playing a home game 2-3 41-47 261-250 3-2 51-37 267-243 2-3 44-44 199-319
after a game where they failed to cover the spread 3-3 45-45 271-257 3-4 44-49 263-269 3-4 44-49 197-344
after failing to cover the spread in 2 or more consecutive games 0-2 21-21 137-114 2-1 20-24 123-131 0-3 17-27 99-159
after failing to cover the spread in 3 or more consecutive games 0-1 10-9 61-50 1-1 8-13 56-59 0-2 7-14 41-75
after failing to cover the spread in 4 or more consecutive games 0-0 4-3 20-28 0-0 3-5 22-29 0-0 1-7 11-40
after 1 or more consecutive losses 3-3 39-45 312-321 3-4 40-49 316-324 3-4 41-48 227-424
after 2 or more consecutive losses 0-2 19-23 193-213 2-1 20-25 206-204 0-3 16-29 131-285
after 3 or more consecutive losses 0-1 10-15 120-152 1-1 9-18 140-134 0-2 9-18 79-199
after 4 or more consecutive losses 0-1 5-10 82-106 1-0 6-10 94-95 0-1 6-10 50-142
after 5 or more consecutive losses 0-0 4-3 61-74 0-0 2-6 67-70 0-0 4-4 35-102
when playing against a team with a losing record 1-0 33-39 242-251 0-1 44-30 266-227 1-0 46-28 246-256
versus poor offensive teams - scoring <=98 points/game 0-1 13-10 215-234 1-0 10-13 229-217 0-1 18-5 179-278
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CHICAGO Team Trends
Description Against the spread Over/Under Straight Up
Current Last 3 Since 1996 Current Last 3 Since 1996 Current Last 3 Since 1996
W-L W-L W-L O-U O-U O-U W-L W-L W-L
in all games 5-5 84-95 894-894 4-8 77-101 873-915 2-10 87-95 909-904
as an underdog 4-5 49-47 472-454 4-7 45-50 463-457 1-10 38-60 288-650
as a home underdog 0-3 16-15 166-165 0-4 10-22 151-177 0-4 15-17 128-207
as a home underdog of 6.5 to 12 points 0-1 3-1 45-53 0-2 2-3 39-58 0-2 3-2 26-74
in home games 1-3 41-48 434-463 0-5 34-55 410-488 1-4 52-38 546-362
in November games 3-3 16-16 120-139 2-5 9-23 104-154 1-6 16-17 108-156
in the first half of the season 5-5 31-43 262-318 4-8 29-46 255-323 2-10 36-40 268-320
on Friday nights 1-1 9-22 149-159 0-2 12-19 149-161 1-1 8-23 152-162
against Southeast division opponents 3-0 14-25 131-136 0-3 15-23 119-153 2-1 14-25 148-125
after a non-conference game 3-0 28-35 305-279 2-2 32-31 289-296 0-4 24-40 291-303
after 2 consecutive non-conference games 0-0 10-16 137-146 0-0 12-13 132-148 0-0 9-17 124-162
after having lost 4 or 5 of their last 6 games 2-3 34-25 294-242 2-4 27-33 263-275 1-5 33-27 225-323
after having lost 5 or 6 of their last 7 games 1-3 18-13 202-183 2-3 14-18 191-200 0-5 16-16 141-255
after having lost 6 or 7 of their last 8 games 1-2 13-5 149-152 2-2 9-10 144-161 0-4 10-9 95-215
off a road loss 2-1 28-26 276-246 0-5 19-37 240-286 2-3 30-26 248-286
off 2 or more consecutive road losses 0-0 7-4 99-69 0-0 2-9 68-101 0-0 6-5 76-96
off a road loss by 10 points or more 0-0 13-16 152-126 0-2 10-21 127-152 0-2 12-19 122-164
off 2 consecutive road losses by 10 points or more 0-0 4-1 33-20 0-0 1-4 23-29 0-0 3-2 21-33
after a loss by 10 points or more 2-1 23-24 238-205 2-3 18-31 218-228 0-5 18-31 190-264
after 2 straight losses by 10 points or more 1-0 11-4 78-58 1-1 7-9 66-70 0-2 8-8 52-86
after 3 straight losses by 10 points or more 0-0 3-0 26-18 0-0 1-2 22-22 0-0 3-0 20-25
after trailing their last 2 games by 10+ points at the half 0-1 4-3 35-32 1-1 3-5 25-42 0-2 3-5 22-46
after trailing in their previous game by 15 or more points at the half 1-1 10-6 80-67 0-4 2-16 75-74 0-4 8-10 60-91
after trailing in their previous game by 20 or more points at the half 0-1 2-2 31-24 0-2 1-4 36-21 0-2 3-2 22-35
after scoring 80 points or less 2-0 5-0 104-92 1-1 3-2 98-97 0-2 3-2 84-114
after scoring 85 points or less 2-0 7-2 194-170 1-1 5-4 188-176 0-2 5-4 160-210
after scoring 90 points or less 3-1 16-6 313-286 3-1 9-13 287-313 0-4 12-10 278-333
after playing a road game 2-2 37-48 435-439 0-6 31-53 410-463 2-4 38-49 435-452
after playing 2 consecutive road games 0-1 17-20 205-198 0-1 11-26 184-220 0-1 16-21 203-206
after a game where they failed to cover the spread 3-1 45-48 455-429 3-3 39-55 436-449 0-6 42-53 458-440
after failing to cover the spread in 2 or more consecutive games 0-0 20-26 224-198 0-1 15-31 198-223 0-1 20-27 219-207
after 1 or more consecutive losses 5-2 47-44 459-413 3-6 37-55 428-450 2-7 43-50 403-487
after 2 or more consecutive losses 3-2 24-23 250-216 2-4 15-32 212-257 2-4 23-25 191-284
after 3 or more consecutive losses 1-1 15-7 153-118 1-2 4-19 126-147 1-2 14-9 96-181
after 4 or more consecutive losses 0-0 5-1 96-74 0-1 2-5 84-88 0-1 4-3 54-121
after 5 or more consecutive losses 0-0 2-0 62-56 0-0 2-0 57-61 0-0 2-0 34-85
when playing against a team with a losing record 2-3 35-47 403-398 0-6 35-47 395-410 1-5 43-41 479-338
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Team Statistics
Performance statistics for each team in various situations are listed below.
CHARLOTTE Current Season Performance
  Straight Up Against Spread Team Opponent
  W-L Units W-L O-U Score Half FG Pct Reb. Score Half FG Pct Reb.
All 5-9 -5.1 5-8 7-7 104.857 55.5 44.962% 57.5 106.929 54.286 44.019% 51.5
Road Games 1-7 -7.15 1-6 4-4 100.375 54 43.096% 56.625 106.875 55.25 45.217% 50.625
Last 5 Games 0-5 -7.1 0-4 3-2 104.2 60.8 45.412% 52.6 111.6 57.6 46.977% 51.4
Team Statistics
Performance statistics for each team in various situations are listed below.
CHICAGO Current Season Performance
  Straight Up Against Spread Team Opponent
  W-L Units W-L O-U Score Half FG Pct Reb. Score Half FG Pct Reb.
All 3-10 -2.4 6-5 5-8 94.769 43.154 41.392% 50.846 104.231 52 46.09% 52.692
Home Games 2-4 -0.9 2-3 1-5 89.5 39.833 38.374% 53.833 99.167 45.5 44.553% 56.5
Last 5 Games 1-4 -1.9 2-2 3-2 99.4 44.2 44.706% 42.8 113.8 58.2 51.117% 52.6
CHARLOTTE Current Season Statistics
  Shooting     3pt Shooting Free Throws  Rebounding  
  PPG Half FGM-A Pct FGM-A PCT FTM-A Pct Tot Off Ast PF Stl TO Bk
Team Stats (All Games) 104.9 55.5 38-84 45% 9-26 35.8% 20-29 68.7% 58 9 20 19 6 0 4
vs opponents surrendering 104.3 53.1 39-84 45.8% 11-29 36.6% 17-22 76.7% 51 9 23 20 8 15 5
Team Stats (Road Games) 100.4 54 36-82 43.1% 9-26 34.6% 21-30 68% 57 9 19 20 6 0 4
Stats Against (All Games) 106.9 54.3 39-90 44% 12-32 36% 16-20 82.4% 52 9 23 24 7 13 4
vs opponents averaging 105.1 52.7 39-85 45.8% 11-29 36.7% 17-22 78.2% 51 10 23 20 8 15 5
Stats Against (Road Games) 106.9 55.3 39-86 45.2% 10-29 36.4% 19-22 84.1% 51 8 23 23 8 12 5
CHICAGO Current Season Statistics
  Shooting     3pt Shooting Free Throws  Rebounding  
  PPG Half FGM-A Pct FGM-A PCT FTM-A Pct Tot Off Ast PF Stl TO Bk
Team Stats (All Games) 94.8 43.2 36-86 41.4% 10-31 33.7% 13-17 77.8% 51 9 22 19 7 0 4
vs opponents surrendering 104.5 52.1 39-85 45.4% 10-28 35.9% 17-22 76.3% 52 10 22 21 8 15 5
Team Stats (Road Games) 89.5 39.8 34-88 38.4% 10-33 30% 12-15 77.2% 54 12 21 17 8 0 4
Stats Against (All Games) 104.2 52 39-84 46.1% 11-28 39.5% 16-20 79% 53 8 24 17 8 13 3
vs opponents averaging 105.9 53.6 39-85 46.2% 11-29 36.6% 17-22 76.3% 51 9 23 21 8 15 5
Stats Against (Road Games) 99.2 45.5 38-86 44.6% 9-26 36.1% 14-19 73% 57 8 24 16 9 13 4
Current Season Results And Upcoming Games
Here are the most recent results and upcoming schedules for the two teams involved. Lines, total, game scores, results versus the spread, straight up and against the total are all displayed.
CHARLOTTE Season Results
  Team Stats Opp Stats
Date Opponent Score SU Line ATS Tot. O/U Shots Pct REB TO Shots Pct REB TO
10/18/2017 @DETROIT 90-102 L 2.5 L 202 U 29-73 39.7% 56 17 41-96 42.7% 50 8
10/20/2017 ATLANTA 109-91 W -4.5 W 205 U 37-86 43% 67 21 36-95 37.9% 49 13
10/23/2017 @MILWAUKEE 94-103 L 6.5 L 204 U 33-78 42.3% 60 14 40-85 47.1% 47 13
10/25/2017 DENVER 110-93 W 2.5 W 211.5 U 38-80 47.5% 57 14 38-99 38.4% 57 13
10/27/2017 HOUSTON 93-109 L 2.5 L 214.5 U 33-88 37.5% 58 9 38-85 44.7% 58 15
10/29/2017 ORLANDO 120-113 W -4 W 210.5 O 53-98 54.1% 71 16 41-97 42.3% 45 11
10/30/2017 @MEMPHIS 104-99 W 5.5 W 195 O 37-89 41.6% 66 11 32-93 34.4% 59 7
11/01/2017 MILWAUKEE 126-121 W -4 W 203 O 45-84 53.6% 47 11 45-91 49.5% 48 14
11/03/2017 @SAN ANTONIO 101-108 L 4.5 L 200.5 O 33-80 41.2% 60 12 39-83 47% 51 15
11/05/2017 @MINNESOTA 94-112 L 5 L 218 U 37-87 42.5% 47 11 38-83 45.8% 62 16
11/07/2017 @NEW YORK 113-118 L -2 L 209 O 42-91 46.2% 46 13 45-75 60% 41 16
11/10/2017 @BOSTON 87-90 L 3 L 204.5 U 31-80 38.7% 65 14 30-84 35.7% 56 13
11/15/2017 CLEVELAND 107-115 L -1 L 217.5 O 41-86 47.7% 52 13 42-97 43.3% 59 13
11/17/2017 @CHICAGO 120-123 L -6.5 L 198.5 O 42-81 51.9% 53 12 47-91 51.6% 39 11
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Current Season Results And Upcoming Games
Here are the most recent results and upcoming schedules for the two teams involved. Lines, total, game scores, results versus the spread, straight up and against the total are all displayed.
CHICAGO Season Results
  Team Stats Opp Stats
Date Opponent Score SU Line ATS Tot. O/U Shots Pct REB TO Shots Pct REB TO
10/19/2017 @TORONTO 100-117 L 13.5 L 206.5 O 37-89 41.6% 48 19 39-83 47% 53 17
10/21/2017 SAN ANTONIO 77-87 L 10 L 200.5 U 31-82 37.8% 51 19 38-93 40.9% 63 11
10/24/2017 @CLEVELAND 112-119 L 15.5 L 205.5 O 42-88 47.7% 45 9 43-83 51.8% 48 9
10/26/2017 ATLANTA 91-86 W -2 W 199.5 U 31-86 36% 69 13 32-81 39.5% 44 10
10/28/2017 OKLAHOMA CITY 69-101 L 8.5 L 203 U 22-78 28.2% 54 19 39-88 44.3% 60 11
11/01/2017 @MIAMI 91-97 L 9.5 L 196 U 36-89 40.4% 61 12 34-83 41% 50 11
11/03/2017 @ORLANDO 105-83 W 7.5 W 204 U 40-85 47.1% 56 14 35-86 40.7% 43 16
11/04/2017 NEW ORLEANS 90-96 L 5.5 L 199.5 U 35-99 35.4% 63 17 35-87 40.2% 61 13
11/07/2017 @TORONTO 114-119 L 11.5 L 200.5 O 40-80 50% 44 13 44-81 54.3% 44 15
11/10/2017 INDIANA 87-105 L 3.5 L 201 U 37-93 39.8% 47 12 43-84 51.2% 58 18
11/11/2017 @SAN ANTONIO 94-133 L 10 L 189.5 O 40-86 46.5% 35 13 51-85 60% 53 13
11/15/2017 @OKLAHOMA CITY 79-92 L 13 L 204 U 26-75 34.7% 49 13 26-72 36.1% 55 13
11/17/2017 CHARLOTTE 123-120 W 6.5 W 198.5 O 47-91 51.6% 39 11 42-81 51.9% 53 12
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Team Line Action
Oddsmakers move a line in part because of one-sided public betting action on a side or total. They also move the line in reaction to wise guys selections. Either way, this section attempts to uncover whether the wise guys and public have a read on a given team. It summarizes both line and total movements. As a general rule, follow the line or total movement when percentages exceed 57% and go against it when they are below 43%.
The betting public is correct when moving the money line in CHICAGO games 51.3% of the time over the past 3 seasons. (81-77)
The betting public is correct when moving the money line in CHICAGO games 48.4% of the time since 1996. (680-726)
The betting public is correct when moving the money line in CHARLOTTE games 49.3% of the time over the past 3 seasons. (75-77)
The betting public is correct when moving the money line in CHARLOTTE games 47.9% of the time since 1996. (414-451)
The betting public is correct when moving the total in CHICAGO games 52.1% of the time over the past 3 seasons. (87-80)
The betting public is correct when moving the total in CHICAGO games 49.9% of the time since 1996. (798-802)
The betting public is correct when moving the total in CHARLOTTE games 48.2% of the time over the past 3 seasons. (80-86)
The betting public is correct when moving the total in CHARLOTTE games 52% of the time since 1996. (497-458)
Head-to-Head Series History
Listed below is a summary of the games results in recent Head-to-Head matchups.
  Shooting 3pt shots Free Throws Rebounds
Date Teams Score Line Result Half FGM-A Pct FGM-A Pct FTM-A Pct Tot. OFF TO
11/17/2017 CHICAGO 123 6 O 60 47-91 51.6% 17-34 50% 12-13 92.3% 39 4 11
CHARLOTTE 120 198.5 60 42-81 51.9% 10-21 47.6% 26-34 76.5% 53 5 12
03/13/2017 CHARLOTTE 109 -7 O 48 43-93 46.2% 7-29 24.1% 16-19 84.2% 49 11 6
CHICAGO 115 200 58 41-91 45.1% 14-40 35% 19-22 86.4% 57 11 10
01/02/2017 CHICAGO 118 1 O 58 42-90 46.7% 7-23 30.4% 27-29 93.1% 50 14 9
CHARLOTTE 111 199 57 41-83 49.4% 9-19 47.4% 20-22 90.9% 44 7 14
12/23/2016 CHARLOTTE 103 -4 U 48 37-84 44% 5-18 27.8% 24-28 85.7% 53 12 10
CHICAGO 91 205 40 38-96 39.6% 7-22 31.8% 8-10 80% 58 17 9
02/08/2016 CHARLOTTE 108 -7 U 57 35-80 43.7% 14-36 38.9% 24-31 77.4% 64 10 13
CHICAGO 91 199.5 42 35-90 38.9% 10-25 40% 11-14 78.6% 46 8 7
12/05/2015 CHICAGO 96 -5 O 50 37-89 41.6% 9-25 36% 13-19 68.4% 59 12 14
CHARLOTTE 102 195.5 52 37-89 41.6% 10-34 29.4% 18-25 72% 58 13 9
11/13/2015 CHICAGO 102 -6 U 50 37-84 44% 4-16 25% 24-31 77.4% 68 10 11
CHARLOTTE 97 199.5 46 36-95 37.9% 15-33 45.5% 10-12 83.3% 47 9 6
11/03/2015 CHARLOTTE 130 3 O 69 47-91 51.6% 14-23 60.9% 22-23 95.7% 56 12 9
CHICAGO 105 193.5 47 44-90 48.9% 14-30 46.7% 3-8 37.5% 40 4 12
03/23/2015 CHICAGO 98 -7 U 48 37-82 45.1% 3-16 18.7% 21-29 72.4% 52 6 6
CHARLOTTE 86 191.5 49 28-81 34.6% 8-20 40% 22-28 78.6% 60 11 10
03/13/2015 CHARLOTTE 101 1 O 52 33-89 37.1% 7-19 36.8% 28-33 84.8% 69 17 12
CHICAGO 91 188 60 31-82 37.8% 15-32 46.9% 14-19 73.7% 48 4 10
02/25/2015 CHICAGO 86 -7 U 44 34-77 44.2% 3-17 17.6% 15-23 65.2% 48 9 12
CHARLOTTE 98 187 44 39-84 46.4% 4-14 28.6% 16-21 76.2% 53 12 9
12/03/2014 CHARLOTTE 95 3 O 40 36-90 40% 2-15 13.3% 21-23 91.3% 46 7 5
CHICAGO 102 191.5 45 37-80 46.2% 12-28 42.9% 16-21 76.2% 58 4 11
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CHARLOTTE Key Player Injuries
[G] 11/18/2017 - Treveon Graham is upgraded to probable Saturday vs. LA Clippers ( Thigh )
(!)[PG] 11/18/2017 - Kemba Walker is upgraded to probable Saturday vs. LA Clippers ( Wrist )
[SF] 11/18/2017 - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is probable Saturday vs. LA Clippers ( Ankle )
[G] 11/17/2017 - Treveon Graham is "?" Saturday vs. LA Clippers ( Thigh )
[G] 11/16/2017 - Treveon Graham is "?" Friday vs. Chicago ( Thigh )
[G] 11/15/2017 - Treveon Graham is "?" ( Thigh )
(!)[G] 11/14/2017 - Nicolas Batum is upgraded to probable Wednesday vs Cleveland ( Elbow )
[G] 11/14/2017 - Treveon Graham is OUT Wednesday vs. Cleveland ( Thigh )
[PG] 11/10/2017 - Michael Carter-Williams is "?" Wednesday vs. Cleveland ( Concussion )
[SF] 11/09/2017 - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is upgraded to probable Friday vs. Boston ( Personal )
[SF] 11/07/2017 - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is "?" Friday vs. Boston ( Personal )
[PG] 10/16/2017 - Michael Carter-Williams is out indefinitely ( Knee )
(!)[G] 10/16/2017 - Nicolas Batum OUT 6-8 weeks ( Elbow )
CHICAGO Key Player Injuries
[G] 11/17/2017 - Justin Holiday is upgraded to probable Friday vs. Charlotte ( Paternity List )
[G] 11/16/2017 - Justin Holiday is "?" Friday vs. Charlotte ( Paternity List )
(!)[F] 11/15/2017 - Lauri Markkanen is upgraded to probable Wednesday vs. Oklahoma City ( Ankle )
[G] 11/15/2017 - Justin Holiday is "?" ( Paternity List )
[G] 11/14/2017 - Justin Holiday is OUT Wednesday vs. Oklahoma City ( Paternity List )
(!)[F] 11/14/2017 - Lauri Markkanen is "?" Wednesday vs. Oklahoma City ( Ankle )
[C] 11/09/2017 - Robin Lopez is "?" Friday vs. Indiana ( Knee )
(!)[F] 11/09/2017 - Lauri Markkanen is "?" Friday vs. Indiana ( Quad )
[PG] 11/06/2017 - David Nwaba is OUT 2-4 weeks ( Ankle )
[PG] 11/06/2017 - David Nwaba is out indefinitely ( Ankle )
[F] 11/04/2017 - Bobby Portis is probable Tuesday vs. Toronto ( Suspension Served )
[F] 10/17/2017 - Nikola Mirotic is out indefinitely ( Facial )
[PG] 10/12/2017 - Zach LaVine is out indefinitely ( Knee )